Chilling here in my hotel in Hong Kong, arrived today to
attend a full day round table discussion tomorrow on “Democracy – Past, Present
and Future”, sponsored by the Lion Rock Institute,
HK’s first and only free market think tank. Then on Sunday, some of us
participants here will fly to Bangkok to
attend the Economic Freedom Network (EFN) Asia 2013 Conference on “Asia, Middle
Income Trap and Economic Freedom”, Monday-Tuesday. I will post articles about
these two events in the coming days.
Then checking my facebook, my article, Pork
Barrel 8: Forum at DLSU Manila has attracted the attention of some guys
hurting over my non-singing “halleluiah” to parliamentary form of government,
in the “Kilos Pinoy” fb group. Some guys there dislike it too much, even if I
am not singing “halleluiah” to a presidential form of government either.
See the exchanges below, made only this afternoon.
Copy-pasting everything, zero alteration, not even comma or period. Judge for
yourself re attitude, arrogance, civility or lack of it. Notice for instance
Nigel’s calling me Noynoy repeatedly. Implying something and in the process, showing
his mental state.
This is 2,200+ words, 6 pages, enjoy.
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Nigel Pope I love how Noynoy Oplas voted for
and campaigned for Aquino but now, suddenly, is lecturing everyone else on
corruption in government being wrong.
Seriously, Noynoy, why did you vote for noy?
Seriously, Noynoy, why did you vote for noy?
Nonoy Oplas Nanggigigil si Pope, hehehe,
bakit ba. Anyway, yes I voted for PNoy, the only liberal candidate in the 2010
elections though he's far out from being a classic liberal. The other
candidates were more statist, more dangerous than him. But I did not go out
campaigning hard for him.
Nigel Pope More statist? More dangerous?
He's an Aquino! That family - and the Cojuangcos - have been big state, pro-oligarch, pro-protectionist for GENERATIONS.
Seriously, mate, you really need to learn a bit more about the free market and small state movement if you think voting for noy was the best option. Did you honestly think he would be any different that his execrable mother?
He's an Aquino! That family - and the Cojuangcos - have been big state, pro-oligarch, pro-protectionist for GENERATIONS.
Seriously, mate, you really need to learn a bit more about the free market and small state movement if you think voting for noy was the best option. Did you honestly think he would be any different that his execrable mother?
Vincent Blas https://www.facebook.com/photo.php...
Nonoy Oplas My vote in 2010, none of your
business. You crucify PNoy, fine, I'm not his spokesman, not an LP member, not
a govt bureaucrat.
Nigel Pope It's not really my business...
other than the fact that you sit there lecturing me and damning CoRRECT for not
being free market enough for your tastes but...
YOU
ARE
AN
AQUINO
SUPPORTER.
That's hypocrisy. That's intellectual dishonesty. That's not coming to an argument with clean hands. That's the sort of cognitive dissonance with taints every argument you make.
You're a joke, Noynoy, just like your namesake whom you frittered away your vote to.
YOU
ARE
AN
AQUINO
SUPPORTER.
That's hypocrisy. That's intellectual dishonesty. That's not coming to an argument with clean hands. That's the sort of cognitive dissonance with taints every argument you make.
You're a joke, Noynoy, just like your namesake whom you frittered away your vote to.
Also, Noynoy, now that you are revealed as a big state
supporter, I am interested in knowing more about your new political party.
Is this a pork barrel thing?
Does your support for Aquino mean you are hopeful of attracting more pork?
Is this a pork barrel thing?
Does your support for Aquino mean you are hopeful of attracting more pork?
Nonoy Oplas Commenting without reading. My
blog post was actually an attack on the administration without naming it. Pork
as bribe by the Exec to the Legislative so that wasteful and corrupt spending
by the former will be tolerated by the latter. The current PNoy admin,
past Gloria, Erap, FVR, Cory admins were all guilty of such pork bribery.
Hence, I did not single out any admin as all of them were guilty of such
wasteful, big govt spending.
Some guys are just groggy or hurting that some people are not convinced by their pol advocacies.
Some guys are just groggy or hurting that some people are not convinced by their pol advocacies.
Vincent Blas ^You realize that they’re all
guilty, and still you want to keep the Presidency?
Nonoy Oplas If you want to put Binay as
successor to Pnoy now, fine, do it, should make you happy.
Joseph Solís Alcayde In addition, Nonoy rather
prefer to maintain the presidential system and its rigid "check and
balance" system in which has to be supported with pork barrel.
Nigel Pope The difference, of course, is that noy
- whom you voted for - has turned his control over the pork barrel as a means
of destroying constitutional government because, by bribing Congress on a
wholesale basis, he has rendered himself immune to impeachment which only
remedy this faulty, US-inspired Constitution allows.
That means there is no restraint over the power of the overweening big state... and that's what you voted for.
You come to this argument without clean hands.
That means there is no restraint over the power of the overweening big state... and that's what you voted for.
You come to this argument without clean hands.
At least Binay actually has some achievements to his
name, and he has not destroyed the Constitution.
Nevertheless, that's a convenient straw man that noy supporters love to throw around.
Nevertheless, that's a convenient straw man that noy supporters love to throw around.
Vincent Blas So you’re going to let a
criminal complete his term despite the fact that what he did was
unconstitutional and let him go scot-free just because you don’t like Binay?
I marvel at your reasoning, words cannot express my
disappointment in realizing there are people out there who think like you do.
Apparently to you, some people are above the law.
Nigel Pope Exactly, Vincent.
Noynoy has just thrown up the favourite yellow straw man - "Yeah, we know Aquino is corrupt and incompetent but Binay is worse" - which has the same intellectual dishonesty and moral cowardice as noy always blaming Gloria for everything that he cannot handle (which is everything).
Noynoy has just thrown up the favourite yellow straw man - "Yeah, we know Aquino is corrupt and incompetent but Binay is worse" - which has the same intellectual dishonesty and moral cowardice as noy always blaming Gloria for everything that he cannot handle (which is everything).
Only in the Philippines can you give a talk warning against
the expansion of government and also vote for the expansion of government.
It's like Aquino talking about the "Straight Path" and yet running the most corrupt maladministration since his mother was pretending to be president.
It's like Aquino talking about the "Straight Path" and yet running the most corrupt maladministration since his mother was pretending to be president.
Nonoy Oplas Joseph, I wish that the 2014
budget should be P200 to P300 billion lesser than the proposed P2.268 trillion.
The public debt, currently around P5.4 trillion, should stagnate at that level,
preferably decrease. Problem is that almost all politicians, almost all NGOs,
media leaders, dislike shrinking the government, they want BIG and growing
govt. People are not talking about form of govt. They talk how the big should
become bigger. Typical worship the state philosophy.
Nigel and Vincent, again, commenting without reading. In
that blog post,
"8. Rule of law. One young and articulate faculty member of the DLSU College of Law in the audience asked if it can be proven that the President has used the P50 million pork barrel fund to bribe the Senators to convict former Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, Renato Corona, this can be a basis to impeach the President. I answered a quick Yes. One reason why there are lots of corruption in the government and even in certain non-government sectors (NGOs, business, media, etc.) is because people do not honor the rule of law. That the law applies equally to unequal people, no one is is exempted and no one can grant an exemption to the penalties by certain laws."
"8. Rule of law. One young and articulate faculty member of the DLSU College of Law in the audience asked if it can be proven that the President has used the P50 million pork barrel fund to bribe the Senators to convict former Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, Renato Corona, this can be a basis to impeach the President. I answered a quick Yes. One reason why there are lots of corruption in the government and even in certain non-government sectors (NGOs, business, media, etc.) is because people do not honor the rule of law. That the law applies equally to unequal people, no one is is exempted and no one can grant an exemption to the penalties by certain laws."
Vincent Blas ^You can’t claim to be for the rule
of law, and not call for the President’s Impeachment.
Do we really have to explain the unconstitutionality of
DAP for you?
Joseph Solís Alcayde Nonoy, as long
as the political system which is the presidential-unitary and the economic
system is protectionist 60/40 are still in place shrinking the size of the
government is impossible at best.
Simple slashing the 2014 budget is like plastering a wound with a band-aid.
Simple slashing the 2014 budget is like plastering a wound with a band-aid.
Vincent Blas How can you stomach supporting
this clearly corrupt oligarch, and the system that keeps him and his kind in
power?
Orion Pérez D. Nonoy Oplas ---
I have a question for you. Please be honest...
Why is it that you supported Noynoy Aquino for President when in fact, he is totally against ECONOMIC LIBERALIZATION and is a true STATIST?
Additionally, why is it that you like to be hostile and aggressive in attacking fellow pro-Economic Liberalization groups such as the Foundation for Economic Foundation and the CoRRECT Movement, and others, when we are at the forefront of campaigning the removal of economic restrictions and also have been campaigning AGAINST GOVERNMENT WASTE?
I really don't get your style of choosing your alliances or whom you support.
NOYNOY AQUINO is totally anti-Economic Liberalization... Look at the recent news... http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/...
The South Koreans asked him to please remove the restrictions on foreign corporate ownership so that they can invest in the Philippines and help to create jobs for Filipinos. You know, the Koreans are sentimentally THANKFUL towards Filipinos because we helped them out during the KOREAN WAR when we sent in peacekeepers and army engineers to help them out against the Communists from the North.
But Noynoy Aquino rebuffed them! He gave a stupid answer saying "we don't need to remove economic restrictions because China has been able to attract investments despite having a ban on land ownership by foreigners."
Stupid, no? We're talking about 60/40 and other anti-FDI restrictions which are restrictions on CORPORATE/BUSINESS OWNERSHIP, and then YOUR NAMESAKE (almost namesake) then answers about LAND OWNERSHIP. Sablay talaga.
SO...
We all knew he was anti-economic liberalization EVER SINCE.
Why did you support NOYNOY AQUINO THE STATIST and anti-Free Market OLIGARCH, while on the other hand, you maliciously attack fellow Free Market advocates like the CoRRECT Movement and even the Foundation for Economic Freedom?
You even call us STATISTS when we are actually all pro-limited government.
Why the INCONSISTENCY and HYPOCRISY, Oplas?
Why, why, why?
Why is it that you supported Noynoy Aquino for President when in fact, he is totally against ECONOMIC LIBERALIZATION and is a true STATIST?
Additionally, why is it that you like to be hostile and aggressive in attacking fellow pro-Economic Liberalization groups such as the Foundation for Economic Foundation and the CoRRECT Movement, and others, when we are at the forefront of campaigning the removal of economic restrictions and also have been campaigning AGAINST GOVERNMENT WASTE?
I really don't get your style of choosing your alliances or whom you support.
NOYNOY AQUINO is totally anti-Economic Liberalization... Look at the recent news... http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/...
The South Koreans asked him to please remove the restrictions on foreign corporate ownership so that they can invest in the Philippines and help to create jobs for Filipinos. You know, the Koreans are sentimentally THANKFUL towards Filipinos because we helped them out during the KOREAN WAR when we sent in peacekeepers and army engineers to help them out against the Communists from the North.
But Noynoy Aquino rebuffed them! He gave a stupid answer saying "we don't need to remove economic restrictions because China has been able to attract investments despite having a ban on land ownership by foreigners."
Stupid, no? We're talking about 60/40 and other anti-FDI restrictions which are restrictions on CORPORATE/BUSINESS OWNERSHIP, and then YOUR NAMESAKE (almost namesake) then answers about LAND OWNERSHIP. Sablay talaga.
SO...
We all knew he was anti-economic liberalization EVER SINCE.
Why did you support NOYNOY AQUINO THE STATIST and anti-Free Market OLIGARCH, while on the other hand, you maliciously attack fellow Free Market advocates like the CoRRECT Movement and even the Foundation for Economic Freedom?
You even call us STATISTS when we are actually all pro-limited government.
Why the INCONSISTENCY and HYPOCRISY, Oplas?
Why, why, why?
SEOUL—For the nth time, President Aquino thumbed down
proposals to amend the Constitution, particularly economic provisions that
restrict foreign ownership of businesses and land.
Nonoy Oplas Vincent, read again my point #8.
Joseph, I am not supporting the protectionist constitution. I wish that ALL sectors, all professions in the economy, should be open to foreign competition.
Orion, I attacked that statement by PNoy either in my wall or in some friends' wall. And I did not attack CORRECT, I criticize statists and socialists in general, no mention of any specific person or group. If you think the term applies to you or anybody else, it's your perception.
Joseph, I am not supporting the protectionist constitution. I wish that ALL sectors, all professions in the economy, should be open to foreign competition.
Orion, I attacked that statement by PNoy either in my wall or in some friends' wall. And I did not attack CORRECT, I criticize statists and socialists in general, no mention of any specific person or group. If you think the term applies to you or anybody else, it's your perception.
Vincent Blas ^ Are you for Pnoy's impeachment
or aren't you? Simple question
Nonoy Oplas "8. Rule of law. One young
and articulate faculty member of the DLSU College of Law in the audience asked
if it can be proven that the President has used the P50 million pork barrel
fund to bribe the Senators to convict former Chief Justice of the Supreme Court,
Renato Corona, this can be a basis to impeach the President. I answered a quick
Yes...."
Vincent Blas You seem to be missing the
point. It doesn’t matter if DAP was used to bribe the senators, the mere
EXISTENCE of DAP is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and is an IMPEACHABLE offense. If you have
respect for the rule of law, you should be calling for his impeachment.
You’re defending the Presidency just because you don’t
like Binay? Binay hasn't committed any impeachable offenses yet.
Nigel Pope Noynoy, I am reading before I
comment.
It's just that it's hard to take your pro-free market comments seriously when you are a supporter of, and voter for, Aquino.
Which should I believe? The Noynoy who is speaking or the Noynoy who is voting and campaigning?
It's just that it's hard to take your pro-free market comments seriously when you are a supporter of, and voter for, Aquino.
Which should I believe? The Noynoy who is speaking or the Noynoy who is voting and campaigning?
Nonoy Oplas Vincent, commenting without
reading, again. Any statement above I made "defending" or singing
halleluiah to PNoy, aside from my vote as of May 2010?
Nigel, again, commenting without reading. I wrote above that I attacked PNoy over his statement opposing charter change to remove econ protectionism, I attacked his govt's pork barrel bribery of the legislature. Why the repeated term "supporter". A refresher course on reading comprehension needed perhaps.
Nigel, again, commenting without reading. I wrote above that I attacked PNoy over his statement opposing charter change to remove econ protectionism, I attacked his govt's pork barrel bribery of the legislature. Why the repeated term "supporter". A refresher course on reading comprehension needed perhaps.
Joseph Solís Alcayde //Joseph, I am not
supporting the protectionist constitution. I wish that ALL sectors, all
professions in the economy, should be open to foreign competition.//
Nonoy, I agree that all sectors should be opened to 100% foreign competition and in fact, I am for 100% FDI in mining, oil and gas through concessions unlike the current forced 60/40 Production Sharing Agreement.
But on why you incline with the presidential-unitary system over parliamentary-federal system?
Why on earth you voted for your almost namesake, Noynoy Aquino, who is an anti-economic liberalization through constitution?
Nonoy, I agree that all sectors should be opened to 100% foreign competition and in fact, I am for 100% FDI in mining, oil and gas through concessions unlike the current forced 60/40 Production Sharing Agreement.
But on why you incline with the presidential-unitary system over parliamentary-federal system?
Why on earth you voted for your almost namesake, Noynoy Aquino, who is an anti-economic liberalization through constitution?
Vincent Blas "Nonoy Oplas If you want to
put Binay as successor to Pnoy now, fine, do it, should make you happy."
Nonoy Oplas Joseph, also commenting without
reading? Can you pinpoint any blog post or any comment I made in the past,
"inclining with" presidential over parliamentary? I remain an
agnostic ever since until now, about the form of govt.
Nigel Pope No, my reading comprehension is
just fine, Noynoy.
I read where you voted for Aquino and where you thought he was the better candidate.
That's crazy talk!
I read where you voted for Aquino and where you thought he was the better candidate.
That's crazy talk!
Vincent Blas Look who's moving the goal posts
LOL
Nonoy Oplas thanks guys, will blog this
exchange, wait for it ha, cheers.
Vincent Blas ^ Running away again
Nonoy Oplas not running away, giving you more
readers outside of KP readers as I'll post all comments, cheers.
Vincent Blas ^ Make sure I can comment on it,
it seems the reply button is missing for me on some of your threads. And I
would very much like to counter the disinformation you’re spreading.
Nonoy Oplas my problem too, some friends
complained why they can't comment, dont understand some features of
blogger.com. But my policy is that ALL comments are allowed.
2 comments:
Noynoy, your selective cutting and pasting of our comments here on your blog does not, of course, address what we have been talking about.
The basis of our dispute with you is that have been criticising us in CoRRECT about not being pro-free market enough in your opinion and yet, as I have pointed out and you have acknowledged, you voted for, supported and campaigned for the election of Aquino as president.
This is despite the fact that Aquino's mother gave the Philippines the most protectionist, anti-free market Constitution in ASEAN and also that Aquino himself was and is the most protectionist, pro-oligarch and anti-free market individual in Philippine federal politics.
The problem wasn't your criticism of CoRRECT or other individuals associated with CoRRECT, but the fundamental hypocrisy - and lack of clean hands - whereby you damned the pro-economic liberalisation CoRRECT movement for not being free market enough despite the fact that it is now a matter of public record that
YOU
ARE
AN
AQUINO
SUPPORTER.
Most of us in CoRRECT are actually pro-free market and anti-big state. Because of that, none of us are supporters of Aquino or the oligarchy that installed him and protects him. You're different. One side of your mouth is spouting off pro-free market and anti-big state rhetoric while the other side worked for and voted for the election of the most anti-free market president since his incompetent mother.
Now, I don't like being misquoted and your selective cutting and pasting really doesn't communicate the full story. This comment does. Let's see if you can let it through unedited.
Orion Dum-dum has brainwashed you all that I have attacked, or attacking CORRECT. Wrong. As I have been repeating for the nth time, I am agnostic about the form of government. I neither attack nor support parliamentary or presidential form of government. For instance, DAR should be abolished, whether it is a parliamentary DAR or presidential DAR. Your brainwashed minds have been following Dum-dum lies, but it's your choice.
I am an Aquino supporter, Yes, in the May 2010 elections. After that, I am a supporter and a critic of the President at the same time. I am not an LP member, not a government bureaucrat or what have you. Meanwhile, brainwashed kids, wake up.
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